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geekality?
Geek Elite.
Mostly Harmless
Oh and the answer to TEB’s post was Futureworld.
I remember thinking that movie was cool as a kid.
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Fear not, if you have trouble deciphering my 1337. I make up my own.
I guess I am just another of the intellectual e1ee7ests that Dubya and his ilk fear!
intellectual ??
quick … what did I do with that cupcake link?
Hey, I like that translater site!
Perhaps I will conform to standard 1ee7.
5h3 534rch35 f0r h3r cupc4k3
N0 0n3 w1|| 7h1nk 70 |00k 7H3R3!
IM IN UR KITTEH, HIDIN MAH CUPCAKES.
(the lolspeak translation)
Progress was made on Questors #3 today, and more will be made tomorrow. Thanks to all who have contributed.
Bedtime soon. Night, Pan.
Alright, friends, time for some seriousness and then I’ll be done. EssBee and I had an exchange today over my position on Prop 8 in California. I know I’m on the opposite side from EssBee and probably from many on Deadpan. I’m going to take this time to explain why I feel as I do so that everyone will understand. I’m not looking to convince anybody.
Billions of year of evolution have given rise to our male and female forms. We exist in these distinct forms for the purpose of reproduction. One man and one woman join together and contribute their distinctiveness to produce a new and unique person.
From this, thousands of years of societal development have lead to the realization that, in order for a society to thrive and grow, it must do well in the production of the next generation. Marriage exists as a protected status to unite one man and one woman in a permanent union for the production and care of the next generation of society. Over time who can and cannot marry has been refined, ordered toward the good of society.
Today, everyone here enjoys the same and equal right to marry one person of the opposite sex, who is not closely related, who is of age to consent, and who is not enjoined due to another union.
What is being sought today by proponents of same sex unions is a special exemption from the equal right stated above. If, as a society, we grant an exemption from the most fundamental part – man and woman – then all the other elements become arbitrary and it becomes logically and legally questionable for any of them to hold.
Groups like NAMBLA are strongly in favor of same sex unions as they know that knocking down the pillar of man and woman makes it much easier for them to argue for legitimacy of their desire to have relationships with young boys. It becomes logically difficult to argue against their position if same sex unions are granted.
The same is true of incest. How can we say that it’s OK for people with same sex attraction to get an exemption, yet tell a brother and sister, or father and daughter, that their unions are still off limits? On a practical level, why should I not be able to marry my mother after my father dies, so that she then becomes covered by my companies insurance benefits?
The last one is quantity, as Trucker Overdrive made note of. Again, if man and woman no longer holds, then upon what basis can we say no to man and woman and woman and woman?
Now, if you favor same sex unions, and also support incest and polygamy, then, while I disagree with you, I will at least acknowledge that you hold a logically consistent position. I doubt that if you asked most of those protesting in California right now if they are also ready to march in support of incestuous and polygamous unions, that you would get a positive response.
I’m certainly not naive and I know that many who voted in favor of Prop 8 did so out of “fear” and “hatred”. While I think some of that is a backlash against efforts in recent decades to treat same sex attraction as normative, it doesn’t justify the violence and mistreatment that people with this condition are subject to.
It’s also clear that marriage has taken a pretty good beating over the last several decades as well. A 50%+ divorce rate is abysmal and a sign that people no longer take seriously, or understand the seriousness, of entering into a marriage relationship with another person. The fact that terms like “starter wife” and “trial marriage” have entered our lexicon are pretty damning indictments of our society, in my opinion. Quite frankly, I don’t know how we turn it around. Obviously, there are those who argue that, heteros don’t take the marriages seriously, so why not let homos “marry” as well. I think that represents the wrong direction and will only further the slide in our cultural egos towards ever greater narcissism and cynicism. I had hoped that my generation would learn from the mistakes of the Baby Boomers and make things better, but it’s not looking promising so far. I fear we still have a way to fall before our society hits rock bottom. Maybe we can’t be saved and maybe we don’t deserve to be. Other empires and grown up, reached their golden ages, and eventually decayed through societal rot. So far, we appear to be on that same path.
That’s one of the reason’s that it’s hard for me to get much excited about political candidates, parties and elections. Both sides seem more interested in grabbing power for themselves, rather than trying to improve things overall. Maybe Obama will prove to be different, but his record and rhetoric give little reason for optimism.
Well, that ranged out a bit from where I started, and I think that’s enough for now. I don’t expect or desire to convince anybody else here of anything, only to explain where I’m coming from and how I see things.
I’m back.
Sorry, Ed. While I respect you and your convictions there are many things you’ve said that I really don’t agree with. And that’s OK.
Ed, I don’t think anyone doubts that your stance is not hate-based. Your thoughts are eloquent and personal, as opposed to the hysterical, scripted vitriol from many others who hold anti-gay-marriage viewpoints.
I’ll say a few things in response. I’d draw a distinction where minors are involved. That’s a case where one party is unprepared to make adult decisions about adult situations, and really, therefore, is a victim. I don’t see that in the same category as gay coupling. I’d actually disagree entirely with the notion of categorizing polygamy, incest, adult-minor relations, and gay relationships. I suppose that’s where we fundamentally disagree. Which is 100% cool. No two friends are ever in 100% agreement on every topic.
But mainly – I echo what ditto said. And I think that *this* is a progressive and (dare I say?) important step in the right direction. . . Where you and EssBee hold strong opposing views on a subject – to the point of the views being offensive to each other – yet you still conduct your discussion with mutual respect and (I hope) friendship.
OK, I really need J0e’s cupcake link now.
One area where Ed and I are in 100% agreement: the latest Indiana Jones flick. Wow, what a mistake.
Which one suits you?
http://tinyurl.com/4643t5
I’m leaning towards schizoid and obsessive-compulsive.
Note to self – self diagnosis is rarely a good idea.
For the space fans out there…the final bugle call for the Phoenix lander:
http://tinyurl.com/56bp6u
Could I be a Parasocialoid?
Alas Phoenix Rover, we never confirmed whether Mars truly needs women.
Bedpan.
Monogamy is rare in the animal kingdom.
Do a google for bisexual behaviour in animals, it’s not as rare as you may think.
Did a good turn and in the process almost dropped my phone onto a concrete floor.
Karma’s a bitch.
Personality disorders, eh? I’ll take a pinch from each category. Except histrionic. That would be greedy.
I can’t agree with equating acceptance and recogniton of homosexual relationships to societal rot.
But I can move past it and find other common ground without it ruining anything. Some of that moving past is probably because I feel I have no personal stake in the issue, I have a heterosexual marriage which I don’t feel is affected in a negative way by recognizing more human beings’ right to love one another and be recognized as acceptable.
Okay, that’s all I have to say on the matter, I think.
I know everyone knows my opinion already, and I was really trying to not get on a soapbox here again- but I do have to say first that I know I can’t agree with Ed’s statement at all, but I respect his opinion for sure.
I agree that Ed is not a rhetoric spouting crazy person, and that is why i can get along with him. He accepts that a lot of us here disagree but I think (I hope) we have all made him feel comfortable enough to have his opinion. As someone who has always tried to go against the grain in my life, and lived my life the way I wanted, and tried to not listen to society, and tried to adopt an attitude of you live your life and I’ll live mine. Ive always appreciated when I found people who agree to disagree with me and not tried to change me.
I mean shit.. look at how bad my english and grammer are and you guys still let me comment here :)
But yes I do disagree. The problems Hugh and i have felt in our marriage have come from within I don’t think allowing gays to marry will give our marriage any more or less chance of succeeding.
I think the issue of rising divorce rates is simply people rushing into marriage. I agree with Ed saying people look at marriage too casually. I agree that I think people don’t consider the consequences of their actions, they are not looking into the future at all. So many failed marriages I have seen, I have heard 1 party saying: I thought they would change after we got married- what? Why would someone change the core person they are after marriage? Marriage is the combining of 2 lives, its not 1 person changing hte other to fit into their illusion of what they want. 1 major crisis and marriages fall apart instantly.
I agree that marriage needs to be between only 2 consenting non related adults. But I do not think removing the rule of man and woman will make those other rules less important. NAMBLA is out of their fucking minds if they think the man/woman rule will somehow open the door to them.
beyond that, based on my experience, the success of my marriage can be attributed to:
1. compromise
2. ability to communicate (which means being able to speak your mind AND listen)
3. respect
those are the things we need to concentrate on. Gay couples have the ability to do those 3 things. So if they are adults, and not related or married to anyone else. I say more power to you.
The reason I do not think that letting gay couples marry will open the door to incest is because the reason we do not allow incest is a medical reason. Adults and children cannot marry because how can a child ever be a consenting adult?
Finally, thank you Ed for sharing your opinion.
The tumbleweeds have come early this week.
I wrote to soon.
and my curious side would really like to know what the cupcake link is
upon typing cupcake into google, this was my 1st link:
http://cupcakestakethecake.blogspot.com/
screw you fucktardbot
I typed cupcake into google and the first link was a blog on sharing cupcake recipes
something tells me this is not said cupcake link
ok so I decided to peruse the cupcake blog (one can never have too many good cupcake recipes) and they have an interview with Violet Blue! *swoooon*
Should cupcakes be eaten before, during, or after sex (or all three)?
I have done each these things⎯at once. Recently my sweet, sweet boyfriend bought me a vegan cupcake and fed it to me by hand, not allowing me to use my own hands for anything. It was a pivotal sexual experience, an intimacy rivaled by none.
What makes cupcakes themselves so sexy and delicious?
You’re putting something really cute in your mouth, a wholly naughty act on its own. Cupcakes just demand that you feel sweet and downright dirty when you eat them. They are as wholesome, adorable, playful and pervertable as a pair of white cotton panties.
pervertable is my new favorite word
and now I must get back to work
Morning Pan.
A lovely Remembrance Day morning here in Canadaland.
A big part of the difference, a divide which may (sadly) be unbridgeable is whether you view bi- and homosexuality as unnatural and preventable or as natural and the way some people are. I fear those who wish to ban gay marriage also feel that the problem of homosexuality can be prevented.
I seem to have walked through some glue this morning, and the soapbox is rather stuck. I really enjoy balanced discourse, but I also want to go back to lighter fare sometimes too…
Re cupcakes: Joe put up a NSFW image a couple shows back. The site has taken it down, but I did manage to find another copy.
http://tinyurl.com/5ffmnc
A different take on personality disorders
http://www.corante.com/loom/archives/2006/01/17/the_return_of_the_puppet_masters.php
JB: I agree. I think it’s time we moved on.
Well if that’s true for me, those pesky parasites have reached a dead end.
You have to wonder just how many things can possibly go wrong in a short period of time. I know it could always be worse, but really, this is getting ridiculous.
Crumbs in the bed is not a pleasant experience.
Hey Deadpan,
I definitely respect everyone’s desire to move on. I think I’ll stay lurky for a while, because this one is just not move-onable for me. I usually get stuck and can’t move on when NAMBLA and incest are brought up in an argument against gay marriage. It just stops me cold. But, I’ll keep my chill to myself so y’all can talk about something fun – I totally get that.
Details ditto?
I couldn’t find a “male cupcake” for us hetro women, so I’ll link this instead for everybody
http://www.bigcitylittlekitchen.com/2007/07/06/beer-cupcakes/
I was just listening to some of the NaNoWriMo podcasts and whoa. I recognized your voice before I remember where I knew the name from, Amy. It’s like a little star in my day when this happens.
EssBee: Sorry, I’m certainly not trying to shut anyone down. Feel free to ignore me and say what you need to say. :)
Van: Nope. Don’t feel like sharing; just needed to vent.
Butterfly cakes are one of my favs.
Okey dokey.
Thanks for the concern. :)
TEB: I suppose there is always beefcake for the women. ;)
http://tinyurl.com/46hqwn
Oh my. Is this the reason I like cats? I’m being controlled by bugs? AH!
Thanks, ditto. You’re da man, truly. I didn’t feel shut down by you. I just don’t want to drag the entire ‘pan down with my thoughts – at least not today. Or, ask you said, don’t feel like sharing.
/EssBee on a drag
*swooon* to cupcakes and beekcakes.
Is there anything sexier than a naked man with a whole mess of rope?
Hugh sez: those girls have nice cupcakes.
Hugh sez2: In answer to your question, I will simply say: yes. I will keep the long answer to your question between us
:) LOL
ditto- i can sympathize with you. When it rains, it pours for sure. I hope things look up soon.
EssBee- we send you a big hug
Thanks ditto. Would I be considered strange if I said I didn’t find that particular gentleman attractive?
TEB: Not at all.
Thanks everyone.
Fascinating episode of Engines of Our Ingenuity about elections.
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1921.htm
Bunny- I think we established everyone is entitled to their opinion. :)
He isn’t the most attractive guy in my book either, but he did deserve a swoon.
I actually find personalities to be way sexier than a persons body. Pictures like that, and porn in general have their place methinks.
That was cool, ditto. I listen to How Stuff Works podcast. They did an interesting episode on the “free market society” of the US a little while ago
http://www.howstuffworks.com/free-market-economy1.htm
I try to be your link ho. ;)
CE: Egg and Chips
CW: Latest Chuck
I’m hoping a certain person in Chuck’s life turns out to be evil.
Van: Chuck deserves to be happy.
Sure, but with you know who and not that one.
Not that I have any prejudice against that colour of hair.
Are you talking about the latest episode? Or just in general?
Early adopters soon to get shafted by MS:
http://tinyurl.com/63qjaj
Latest episode
Scenario:
You’ve just met someone for the first time, and you realize they have inadvertently tucked their shirt into their underwear. What do you do?
Hello Clark?
Hello Linda?
Hey, Pan. I appreciate everyone’s comments. I knew coming in that my view would be across from most here and I respect everyone’s feedback on it.
One of the great things I find about the deadpan is that it is a place of ideas – both on pod and on the message board. Over these last few years I’ve certainly found many interesting and challenging ideas here. Some I’ve come to agree with, others I’ve had to respectfully disagree with. I’ve learned quite a bit and hopefully shared some in return.
I’ll also say that I’m thankful to all those veterans, especially on this day dedicated to them. Because of their service, we enjoy the freedom to have these discussions and have bloodless revolutions every four years to choose our leadership.
Ed: Totally agree.
I like to contribute something to today’s discussions. But I’m too tire to think and I won’t do right by anyone. Good points all around, though.
In the interest of lightening things up Six String Bliss has released a collection of TV theme song covers performed by the amatuer guitarists in their group. Go download it for free at http://www.sixstringbliss.com. No I’m not featured but that is a good thing. ;) Maybe next year.
CP: Wonderful — Everclear
did ditto just say he was a ho?
Gosh, thanks. . . . I have no idea.
Is ditto a ho-ho? Are we back on the cupcakes?
Mmmmm cupcakes
ho-ho? I want to make a really inappropriate comment about being ‘cream-filled’ but instead I will let your imaginations take over now
*swoon*
Unfortunately the “cream filled” comment made my mind flash to the movie “Van Wilder.”
What the heck is wrong with me?
Why can’t I just get swoony?
oh JB, just swoon with us!
*swooon2*
Hugh and I are such dorks
we just developed our winter bowflex/yoga workout plans.
I’ve put on a few extra pounds
Hugh sez: oh please woman
I have! Im softer in places I wasn’t soft before :)
Hugh sez: *swoooon*
*swooon3*
Hopefully the commute home in the freezing rain tonight won’t make us regret putting off the new set of tires until Saturday…
Now, this looks interesting:
http://www.letssaythanks.com/
Remove the last . from Rhettro’s link for it to work.
I was going to say full stop, but people may have got the wrong idea.
..and now I’m going to have to jump to the Space 1999 theme cover.
It’s always interesting to see people talk about their weather.
I walked with my kids in the Veteran’s Day parade today to honor my father. We were outside waiting for our turn to walk for 3 hours, then we walked for about 15 minutes.
I’m horribly sunburned, but I’m happy. I’m almost always happy though and although I don’t like cake, I love cupcakes. Go figure.
I was playing the Left 4 Dead demo earlier on the 360.
I have my doubts about this one, even though the demo is MP only, it seemed to get tedious fast.
Cool to see people remembering veteran’s day.
And hey! I have a contribution to the Deadpan video game discussion!
This article nails a lot of fundamental truths. A couple of transports back to the 1987-1995 years.
http://1000awesomethings.com/2008/11/10/898-playing-old-school-video-games/
Extreme Scrabble:
http://tinyurl.com/54u3fq
A challenge for the more creative person:
http://tinyurl.com/5kh4kr
Wolfenstein 3D was 1992? Man I really didn’t need to hear that.
Mein lieben!
Nomad Scry: YAY! I’m so glad to hear that! It’s a little star in *my* day when I get “hey, I heard you!” messages like that! :-)
I don’t know when I’m going to be able to contribute to another NaNoWriMo podcast, though. All my time lately has been taken up by podcast editing and Real Life.
Boy, it feels like I’m nippling a lot today.
Last one from me tonight:
http://www.cracked.com/article_16676_6-emails-you-get-when-your-company-about-go-under.html
Kinda too close to home to be that funny…..
OK, I’m off. Bedpan. Goodnight, Great Green Room.
Morning Pan, more doom and gloom:
http://tinyurl.com/5bfkq6
I just want to make clear I’m not sitting in seat 13 in the backrow of the cinema.
CW: for ‘The Pride and the Glory’ to start.
-the squared
Morning, Pan. As expected, there’s the sun.
CP: OX4 — Postmarks
http://www.chromewaves.net/mp3/radio/Postmarks-OX4.mp3
“bright Light – BRIGHT LIGHT!”
big city
CP: He Didn’t – Soundgarden
Still curious on the shirt-underpants question. Thoughts?
CP: Eye for an Eye — UNKLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5_OSsawz4
JB, I say file that away as THE IMAGE you have whenever you think of that person and say nothing.
CP: Milkshake ‘n Honey
oops
+ — Sleater-Kinney
So Van, did you listen to the SSB TV theme album?
EssBee, believe me, every time I hear his voice, it comes to mind…
The superman/supergirl reference wasn’t obvious enough JB?
Yes I did Rhettro, I enjoyed it, the presenters sound stoned though.
Oh Pipes and PT are so laid back, they always sound stoned. LOL You can download the complete series of songs with album art sans commentary here: http://www.sixstringbliss.com/staytuned.zip
I suspect it’s a safe bet that Brian Ibbot will never do a Coverville episode consisting of Barry Gray covers:
http://tinyurl.com/6m5a44
Thx for the link Rhettro.
No problem. :)
ZP flips a coin and reviews Fable 2:
http://tinyurl.com/5pr46g
CP: Geek Stink Breath — Green Day
CP: Necklace of Broken Hearts — Ulali
Okay, the “Rookie” side I don’t know much about as it is Sigler I haven’t had contact with, but I’m completely awesomely excited about Scott’s new online comic venture http://addictivecomics.com due to the other launch title “Black Jack Justice,” a supremely awesome 50′s detective comic based on Greg Taylor’s podcast series of the same title.
Cool. I’ve long thought podiobooks/comics was a match made in heaven.
I think my own comic artist has officially flaked, however. . . .
Send them some Selsun Blue, stat!
Jack, don’t worry too much, I’ve flaked on my own podcast/podiobook for months now. Plus, with employers flaking, we can hardly worry about these other “problems,” right?
Get my employers some Selsun Blue, stat!
CP: Mojo Pin — Jeff Buckley
CP: GeeksOn Episode 103
So what’s worse?
Shirt tucked into underpants? Or critical need for Selsun Blue?
I couldn’t really say. Shirt-into-underpants guy has also been flaky from time-to-time…
Take control of Obama:
http://tinyurl.com/692wzx
JB was thinking what I was thinking. LOL
From the latest Dilbert Newsletter:
“I wish life was in 3-D.”
“You shut your mouth when you’re talking to me!”
“I have to go drop a kidney.”
“I’ve already forgotten more than I’ll ever know!”
“I’d rather be safe than sore.”
“He smokes like a fish!”
“He’s not the sharpest hole in the wall.”
“My sister gave me a cream-colored couch, and honest-to-god I hate it as much as life itself.”
“I’m running around with a head like a chicken.”
“It’s going to be bad around here when the cows come home to roost.”
Everybody see the latest Google virus alert system?
http://www.google.org/flutrends/
Track a (potential) flu epidemic before it hits your house!
I also feel good knowing my family has stayed current on flu shots for the last several years…
Aaaaand the FTbot seems to think I’m a spammer. Admittedly, that post does look spammy…
I can relate:
http://tinyurl.com/5nluu6
I can relate too, ditto.
LOL
CW: The Mentalist episode 6
YEA!!!! This is what I got today! :)
http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Chef-Culinary-Institute-America/dp/0764557343/ref=pd_sim_b_1
Nice, ditto. What’s cookin’ tonight?
Forget writing. . . . I should be spamming:
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/spammers-get-1-response-to-12-500-000-emails-483381?src=rss&attr=all
$3.5mil/year – holey moley.
ditto – does your new book have any spam recipes?
Mmmmmmm Spam Mmmmmm
EssBee: Tonight? Nothing special since I haven’t had time. But I will be doing some meal planning soon. :)
I don’t think we’re in for a double-unshow tonight, but since I’m moving this weekend (Yes, again. Yes, I know. Enough already, goddamn it.), I’m not sure what we’re in for. It will all depend. Just a heads up.
Hey pan
been a busy day here
Speaking of cooking: I made a really good thai chicken today from cooking light magazine for lunch
it was nummy, annd quick and easy
Good luck Jack!
wait.. your moving???? again?!?!??!?!!???!?!??? wha?!?!?!?! ;)
heh
Are you still staying in AZ, Jack?
http://find.myrecipes.com/recipes/recipefinder.dyn?action=displayRecipe&recipe_id=682967
w00t it worked!
thats the thai chicken if anyone is interested
it comes smarty hottie recommended