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525 comments to Silent Unshow

  • Van, let Kato have a whack at that screw.

  • re: Apple –
    If it will make any of you feel any better about giving your hard earned cash to Apple … I own stock in that company. So instead of thinking that you’ve given Mr. Jobs another $100 bucks, think about it as though you’ve given me another 100th of a cent !!!
    :)

  • I like the “Deapan Home Companion” concept.
    Of course that is the way G Keller (sp?) delivers all his stories anyway.

  • Vanamonde

    My cousin likes to watch skiiing on TV for the enjoyment of watching people fall over.

  • Vanamonde

    I’m admitting defeat and taking it to a local computer shop to see if they can get that damn screw out.

    I’m not hopeful.

  • Apple isn’t really any better or worse than the majority of companies out there.

  • ditto: Actually, by all accounts (Microsoft included) Apple sells products that work better.

    What upsets me is that comparable products can be purchased or home-built for substantially less than Apple’s price structure. It’s not because Apple’s components cost more (as seen by this company that makes Mac knock-offs on the cheap: http://www.psystar.com/), it’s because Apple sees themselves as superior, and charges accordingly.

  • The Energizer Bunny

    It’s really a whatever the market will bear thing anyway. We may all complain about price etc (which really didn’t bother me), but as long as we’re willing to pay…

  • Justa J0e – The fire marshall banned those clips in Massachusetts and, in New Jersey, you can’t even pump your own gas. Now I finally understand why. That’s terrifying.

  • Vanamonde

    So installing 3.0 for the iPhone didn’t go without a hitch, the update crapped out on my netbook. Had to plug the phone into the desktop to update.

    I like the iPhone, but have no interest in buying a Mac computer.

  • The Energizer Bunny

    My touch upgraded without problems, Van.

  • Van – This probably isn’t an option for what you are working on, but … sometimes I am able to get out a screw with a stripped head by removing all the other screws and then basically use the entire thing to unscrew the bad screw. Push down on the screw head and try to rotate it and the entire motherboard at the same speed.

    This has worked in the past for removing large machine parts, so… :)

    Another option, and probably a bad idea, is to take a slotted screw driver and use a hammer to drive the tip into the offending screw. Once it is embedded into the screw, you should be able to either unscrew it or simply split the head off. Once the mother board is out of the way you can grab the leftover bits of the screw with some pliers.

  • The Energizer Bunny

    However it does seem to be running slower. I’m not sure if it’s the upgrade or if my network is just acting silly right now.

  • I may be getting an iPhone for the pre-Mrs. in a few weeks and I’m a bit nervous about it. I had a refurb iPod 3G for a few months and that is my only experience with Apply products… so most of my time with it were spent after the hard drive failed…

    birrrrrzip birrrrrrrrzip birrrrrzip :(

  • Many of my points have been for me. Apple is a business. They are in this to make money, just like Microsoft, Sun, and hundreds of other companies. Sometimes they make mistakes. Sometimes they do not.

    Perceived value is a legitimate force for pricing. If people really, truly thought Apple’s products were over-priced, that Apple was gouging them, then people would stop buying those products. And then Apple would drop their prices.

    What happens most of the time is the top dog on the pile is attacked because they are on top. It happens to Microsoft all the time. It happened to IBM a lot in the day too.

  • I do like Open Source and think it would be nice if Apple opened up iTunes. However, Apple doesn’t sell iTunes. It is solely a support product for iPods. So, there is no reason whatsoever for Apple to change it to accommodate other companies. Not unless those companies paid apple to do so.

    I think statements like “Apple users hate our freedom” just emphasize the Open Source zealotry that I really dislike. Open Source is good and useful, but people and companies should have the *freedom* to choose how they want to develop their software.

  • The Energizer Bunny

    I completely agree, ditto.

  • Hey, at least Microsoft actually sucks frequently enough to deserve the ridicule.

  • Vanamonde

    I think there is a difference to not supporting a non Apple device to actively blocking a non Apple device.

  • I disagree Van. It’s their software. They can choose what devices work with it.

    And there are good reasons why Apple would choose to do so. Take this not unlikely scenario: Someone synced a device with iTunes and the device got damaged. It’s not inconceivable that this person would try and sue Apple because of this. If Apple didn’t try and actively stop such abuse, then they could be found liable. So, this behavior makes good business and legal sense.

  • Excellent points, ditto. I’m most offended by Apple’s pointless and/or self-serving end-user limitations and restrictions.

    I’m also bothered by the brand-allegiance thing. Apple’s company and consumers are presented as this cool, hip tribe — which stands separately from “uncool, evil Microsoft” and all others in the computer/device/app games. . . But really, Apple is by-and-large no different from any other mega-corporation. In spite of their shiny happy people claim, they have utilized plenty of greedy, fuzzy-ethical, end-user-punishing tactics and practices in the past.

    But the root of the brand-allegiance problem runs way deeper than Apple, Coca-Cola, Saturn, etc. and I’m stepping down from my little box now :) .

  • jackmangan: sorry, that came out wrong…although, I’m not sure any amount of editing will fix it.

  • Vanamonde

    Saturn?

    You weren’t talking about the Sega console?

  • The Energizer Bunny

    So LJ, do you like your kids fried or boiled?

  • T.E.B.: Oh, you know, bones ground to make me bread and such.

  • Cj

    I think it’s time to show Dan the message board.

    – Wife of the Ultimate Anti-Apple Man

    Then again… maybe not.

  • Cj

    The one toy in the house my husband NEVER asks to play with – My iPod Touch.

    *innocent whistle*

  • I wish I were actually “Anti-Apple” – I’m actually “Anti-getting-butt-raped-by-Apple”. I know the difference is a subtle one.

  • Vanamonde

    Surely all they have to legally say is that they don’t support non Apple devices. If you then come a cropper by plugging in a non Apple device you wouldn’t a have leg to stand on.

    So 3.0 update went fine on the desktop, and iTunes on the netbook restored all my stuff to the phone.

    Sooooo….

  • The Energizer Bunny

    Cj: Your husband doesn’t ask to touch your play… oh wait.

  • *cheers for Jack*

    Awesome points, Jack! I totally agree.

  • The Energizer Bunny

    You won’t play touch with your husband… no, still not right.

  • Van: did you just plug a non-Apple device to an Apple device to install Apple approved software? I’m thinking that somehow, that shouldn’t be approved…

  • The Energizer Bunny

    You wont ask to play with your husband’s touch?

  • Don’t get me wrong. I’m not pro-Apple either. I can write a lot about the buggy crap they put out.

  • LJ: Van just wanted to play with his Apps. Yeah. That’s it.
    *cough*

  • Cj

    I’m not playing into your touch commentary, Bunny! You are just trying to get me in trouble! I know how you are! :oops:

  • Vanamonde

    Yeah, I’ll switch into fanboy mode and write XP rulez!

    cough

  • The Energizer Bunny

    All I can say (in all seriousness this time) is I luvz my touch. I don’t care who puts it out, is put out, or puts out. I can’t see being without it anymore.

  • I think I can safely quote the William Shatner/Henry Rollins song from the Has Been album “I can’t get behind that”

  • Farmers.
    Sheep.
    I can get behind that.
    Let your imagination do the work.
    *cough*

  • The Energizer Bunny

    On a different note:

    Cj, have you and Jack talked yet. Does he know what we (may have) planned on his behalf?

  • Ooooh. Secret plans… Open forum… Wait, I’m working on the best nipple here…

  • Vanamonde

    skype give me a weird error on bootup on the phone.

    still seems to working though

  • The Energizer Bunny

    ditto; only if you don’t role a 1

  • The Energizer Bunny

    I don’t know, Van. I can see you on Skype so it must be working.

  • Cj

    Bunny, Me too! My iPod Touch doesn’t leave the house without me nor I without it. I do so love it!

    And yes, briefly exchanged words with Jack. He’s gotta talk to “his people” and then he’ll get back to us with more details. (Jack’s so important and ya know… “all that” so it’s hard to pin him down anyway.)

    hehe “pin him down” *swooon*

  • Vanamonde

    yes I’m in a voice chat with someone now TEB.

  • Smokey Mountain Rock Oysters – of Rock.

  • Vanamonde

    I’m wondering if it’s dangerous to say Boo! to a bunny.

  • The Energizer Bunny

    Not when you’re at such a distance, Van :)

  • Vanamonde

    /waves to Cj.

    Night Pan.

  • The Energizer Bunny

    Sleep well, Van.

  • Well, I’m off to my weekly Violin lesson. If I don’t swing by later, have a good night everyone!

  • Vanamonde

    Oh before I go:

    http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/

    So the cut and paste works ok.

    Cough

  • The Energizer Bunny

    So under strange… the news is reporting on how catholic bishops in Alberta are giving their opinion on the possibility of building nuclear plants for energy. I didn’t know it was religious issue.

  • imag1narynumber

    Apple products are overpriced for what you receive, I don’t think anyone can argue that. Some more that others.

    To a large degree, open source software works, and works well, BECAUSE of zealots. You have people that will code in every spare moment they have and simply give the fruits of their work away for anyone to use. You also have people that want to give others living in the various armpits of the world some of the power that we have by virtue of the fact that we were born into an affluent country. The OLPC was born of this drive. I’m sure many would find either of these examples “zealots”.

    I would argue that many Apple fanboys and fangirls are zealots of another kind. They’re zealots to the brand. Screaming at the various presentations and blindly buying the latest iProduct. Slaves to the idea that Apple stuff is cool and hip. And Apples never crash (snicker, snicker). To me, this is very empty zealotry.

    Apple does indeed hate our freedom. As examples, bricking jailbroken iPhones, no Ogg support on iPods, and the DRM in their music files. I don’t think anyone would argue that Apple is a company and doing things to increase the value of the company and market-penetration. And yes, they do have a right to do these things (ignoring the recent FCC inquiry into the iPhone/AT&T marriage). However, blocking people from CHOOSING to play Ogg files or install a stupid app that Apple doesn’t deem good enough for their store for whatever inane reason does, by definition, inhibit our freedom to use our products as we see fit. It was only market pressure that forced Apple to finally drop DRM from their music files. And yes, people SHOULD vote with their wallets and push Apple to change their ways. But many don’t, and some that don’t will announce that one of the reasons they don’t is due to their freedom-hating ways.

    To close, I think we all know that companies are looking out for their best interests. Some of those are really disgusting. How about Net Neutrality? That is in the best interest of some big companies, but really squashes the freedoms that we currently enjoy.

    I think I rambled quite a bit. I’m not very good or knowledgeable in this arena, and I hope I did not come off churlish. Time for me to start cleaning the house.

  • I don’t have a big opinion on Apple, but I do LUV my iPod and MacBook. There might be a little passion involved.

    In other news, Obama is bumming me out.

  • imag1narynumber

    Yeah, he’s been bumming me out since he first backed Bush’s unconstitutional domestic spying.

  • imag1narynumber

    get behind con’t (NSFW-ish)

    http://www.muttonbone.com/

  • The Energizer Bunny

    Now that Jack thinks I’m a total fool, I think I’ll go hide my head in the sand :oops:

  • I know you’re brilliant, Ryah. No :oops: needed.

    :)

  • imag1narynumber: I agree. And I didn’t mean to come off hard on Open Sourcers. I dislike zealotry of all shapes and sizes.

  • Ed from Texas

    Maybe I’m over reacting, but I’m rather creeped out right now. I regularly post pictures to my Flickr stream as a way of sharing with family and friends. Most of my pictures are rarely seen and that’s fine.

    But, in the last few days, some pictures of my daughter had been favorited, which, particularly since they weren’t necessarily the most interesting pictures I’ve ever taken, struck me as odd.

    The user who favorited them is not someone I know. That in itself is not so unusual. But, when I went to check his profile to see if he had any interesting pictures I found….nothing. No pictures, tags, groups, contacts, anything. Buy chance I clicked in his profile that shows what other people’s pictures he’s marked as favorites. That’s what really set off my spidey sense. Essentially four dozen pictures taken by a couple dozen different people – all of young girls. Nothing struck me about any individual picture as problematic. They were just pictures of people’s kids at birthday parties, swimming pools, playgrounds, playing dressup, etc. But, seeing them altogether in a group of thumbnails just gave me a really bad vibe.

    I’ve ended up blocking his access to my pictures, which has also taken off his favorite markings. I also contacted all the other Flickr users whose pictures that I had favorited. I simply pointed out what I’d found – that a guy whose posted no pictures has been favoriting pictures of young girls in that user’s photostream. I said I was blocking this guy and I wanted to pass this info on to them as well.

    I know, in reality, once a picture is shared with the public on Flickr, well, any sick freak can get a hold of it. They can download them to their own machines if they want. I try to be careful about what pictures I post, and I never geotag anything taken at my home or other family and friends homes – after all, I can easily remember those locations.

    I don’t know that there’s anything else to be done at this point.

  • Rhettro

    I hear you Ed. That’s why I only post pictures on Flickr for my friends and family to see if involves my kids.

  • Vanamonde

    Morning Pan, that guy actions do sound suspicious Ed.

    So this morning I have an embarrassing called to the local computer shop:

    “So does removing a screw fall within you installing upgrades remit?”

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