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I don’t think there are not problems with health care I just don’t think Government is the answer. I also don’t think we should have Social Security. So when we are at opposite ends of the spectrum in this way I don’t think you will ever get me to think government should be taking the next step. So I would rather rip out the whole social welfare system rather than move to v.2 of what isn’t really working that well.
Jack, I think using reconciliation to get health care through would be the most partisan way to do it. I think Paul Ryan [(r) Wisconsin] has the idea that makes the most sense to me but you have to start over to get any of those ideas in there.
The basic idea is make the people responsible and we will again have a real market. I know that leaves open people who decide to not get insurance but I don’t think the government should be a safety net for being dumb. This system of course has problems when it comes to getting started also.
I hate to see the government run something like this when it can’t run anything with out huge operating losses. I just want uncle sam out of my pocket.
crap done with work and busy tonight. I’m sure i’ll have some nipples to read tomorrow.
If I had to fault Obama, I would say he is to prideful. He wants desperately to fix the healthcare system and rightly so, but it’s painfully obvious that with the current batch of politicians in place, nothing is going to happen. It’s time to move on to other important matters. I can’t speak for others, but I’ve seen my healthcare insurance premiums go up 20 to 50 percent every year and my benefits cut by roughly the same amount. I assume, without change, this trend will continue. I project about five years before the system collapses on itself. Only then will we get real change. But America is a democracy and as such we get the government we deserve. It seems that in our case we don’t deserve much.
Questors #11 has been submitted.
Go Amy Go! WOO WOO!
Wahoo!
I consider this a breakthrough in our conversation reaper!
Your stance on SS isn’t some abstract concept, it IS a specific idea that I can wrap my head around. While I can’t see just getting rid of SS without a suitable replacement … I certainly don’t hold the program itself to be some sort of deity that must be put in a glass case and bowed down too. I am open to replacing it. (Just not with anything involving Wall Street! I already lost THAT money.)
So I have ask this question of others here before but so far no one seems to have an answer … All American’s with insurance are currently footing the bill for the 10′s of millions who choose not to (or can’t afford to) buy insurance (hmmm maybe they really AREN’T the stupid ones)
For those who oppose mandated insurance, how would YOU propose that the rest of us stop getting stuck with the tab for the uninsured ?
From Paul Ryan’s website: “My plan, The Patients’ Choice Act, ensures universal, affordable health care for all Americans. Under The Patients’ Choice Act, patients and doctors would control their health care decisions – not insurance companies and federal government bureaucrats. Equally important, my proposal does not raise taxes or increase government spending, but uses the money we currently spend more effectively.”
So it’s possible to prevent citizens of every income level from getting denied access to healthcare in the name of big pharma profits without raising taxes? Sounds great.
I’d need to learn more – primarily about on Ryan’s history, his motives, his proposal, and his reaction to Obama’s initial push for Healthcare reform.
Move the uninsured to Canada
Ok, I’m kidding. :)
JOe, I’m on the mandated bandwagon here.
If we could drive the insurance companies out to the woods and leave them for dead, THAT would be my ideal system. My fear is that Humana/Blue Cross/etc are going to end up = the government option. However, I know too many people who are sick and don’t have insurance, so suffer. The current system cannot continue.
Thanks, JR!
A thought I had on the whole universal health care thing: The U.S. is just way too big and too complicated for it to work.
CP: Soup Is Good Food — Dead Kennedys
If healthcare insurance was mandatory, I don’t see how it could work as a flat fee to everyone, I see it as a percentage of income, which I guess would make it a tax. My concern isn’t about availability, but affordability. What would I propose?
Here’s my hair brain scheme. Come up with a standard of cost for each medical procedure, use that as a baseline for the percent of income charge to the tax payers. Tie those standards back to the national GDP – GDP goes up 5 %, costs go up 5%, GDP goes down… etc. Cap how much doctors can be sued for. Charge lawyers a fee when they loose a medical malpractice case. Allow cross boarder drug prescriptions. Allow nurse practitioners to prescribe some low level drugs. Feel free to discuss.
There is actually currently a criminally low cap in place now on malpractice awards. Your surgeon ODs on pre-surgery uppers and leaves his iPod in your colon? Congrat’s you’re entitled to a max of 10K. Luckily, the surgeon has that much cash in his wallet right now. Can you break a $50K bill?
There should be better measures in place against bogus malpractice claims.
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Well I don’t think my heart was in to the whole evil thing…maybe the lack of goatee was a problem.
The goatee was the old evil. The goatse is the new evil.
You disappoint me, Van. I bet you didn’t even tie anyone to the railroad tracks.
Well those damsels in distress are hard on the old ears.
reaper: RE: Win7 — officially per Technorama’s accounting of Microsoft’s releases, Win7 IS an updated Vista… which makes no sense, because Vista was complete crap and Win7 is not.
Lo Pan: So, the dragon green eyes thing… what’s that, some sort of metaphor for your semi-incorporial flabby pasties?
NS: RE: Palin — Worst Choice for VP running mate EVAR – The surest way to kill your chances at being president. When that choice was made, my choice became clear – Vote Libertarian…
RE: JC Hutchins announcment: I can’t say I’m happy about it. I don’t usually say anything about JC here, but I did put out some effort to support him as an author. I didn’t go hog-wild, but I did give out his 7th Son book for christmas… The gifts were well met. What really bothers me is that for a 1st-time-in-print author, his sales supposedly out-performed the average unknown newbie by a wide margin. His sales figures “didn’t meet expectations” and that’s why he’s not being picked up… Totally bogus. The publisher was looking for miracles. I’m betting the economic downturn, coupled with publishing looking for nothing but cash-cows is what kept his sequels from being snapped up, not poor sales figures. Sequels are almost guaranteed to sell better. Unless you’re my wife apparently…
VAN: evil isn’t usually announced. I think you’re faking it.
JRMurdock: Must agree with the oversaturation of JC
reaper: The Tick was a spoof of all things Superhero. It was brilliant. I suggest you retry it. No pressure.
JRMurdock: YEAH, Baby!
VAN: Now that I’ve caught up, you may disregard my previous comment. You can try harder next time. Don’t worry about the damsels, blow up the dam, or dyke… whatever you have over there in GMT
I like how these Deadpan discussions are always logic-based. Scan political comments on most news articles, you mostly see empty insanity.
“How’s that Hopey-changy workin’ for ya”, “Socialist Demo-craps” “Obama is a superninja!” “Nazi Republicreeps!” – - none of that accomplishes anything.
Ooh. A logical Discussion:
If all elephants are pink,
and Sam is an Elephant,
Sam must be pink.
Except… Elephants aren’t pink…
Darn, almost had that oen, but my basic assumption was wrong. Poor Sam, He’ll never know what color he really is…
-oen, +one
Damn, are we shooting for a grand this week? Did Jack issue a memo that I missed?
Reaching back to this morning:
“All your debase are belong to us!”
Deadpan is about ACTION! So, I think I’ve a good plan of attack. Memes are stubborn, hard-to-kill things. We still have religion, hollow-Earthers, dogs’ mouths cleaner than humans’, all sorts of nonsense. So we just need to re-energize the meme of responsibility, hard work, and occasional brain use. Can someone do this for me? Thanks, that’d be great.
“Blow up the dyke”
WAIT ONE SECOND, BUDDY.
Just kidding. Blow that shit up.
CW: LOST Sundown
Dropping back in.
Rhettro – those ideas seem to be a good starting point. I can’t comment on the 5% solution thing though because I don’t know enough about the numbers.
Something to keep in mind about a hypothetical Government insurance program … right now, insurance companies decide how much they will pay for any particular procedure. The negotiate with the hospitals and tell them how much they are willing to pay. This is what makes a hypothetical Government insurance program cheaper for the tax payers then the current system of just having each individual’s unpaid bill split amongst the rest of us.
The hypothetical program would go to the hospitals and say “I got 50 million potential customers for you that may need a tonsillectomy … what kind of deal can you make me.”
For all this talk of socialism … that right there friends is about as “market based, free enterprise” as you can get. It is the same capitalistic approach that is taken by Blue Cross. The difference is that publically traded insurance companies are required by law, to try and make an increased profit EVERY quarter. That means every 3 months they have to find a way to make more money then they did the previous 3 months.
A hypothetical, bare bones, “public” insurance program would only be trying to break even. That, combined with the principle of negotiating on volume, is why it could be made “affordable” to those of us who can’t afford private insurance.
Jø = “nail on head”
Part of our down fall is that we have an entire “financial industry” representing a huge portion of our GNP that makes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. All of their money is generated by sitting around scheming how they can “re-package” previously repackaged financial instruments to make even more money off of something that is nothing more then numbers on paper.
They make nothing and shoulder no responsibility for when their gambling goes awry. As for using their brains … as one of these clowns said in a congressional hearing “How were we to know that housing prices wouldn’t go up forever?” Maybe they could have ask a 5th grader.
Holy crap, LOST is good.
I, as well, listened to Indiana Jim’s talk about JC Hutchin’s post. I pretty much agree with Jim’s take on things. I didn’t really follow JC after the third 7th Son novel dropped as a podcast. I thought the first two books were decent, but I was really disappointed in the third one.
I’m glad JC was able to get the first 7th Son published – that’s better that most people manage. The “Dark Arts” project just didn’t capture my interest.
JJ,
Government has never had any incentive to be cost effective. There’s little reason to expect them to start now. Government run anything is largely a case of a necessary evil – such as in the case of national defense, where an endeavor is too large a scale to be handled otherwise.
Does healthcare rise to that level? I’m not convinced, but I have little doubt that additional government involvement will make things more expensive overall. The history of government programs is hard to ignore.
It is interesting that such huge sums of money change hands in what essentially is a shell game.
Ed – that is definitely something that has to be addressed. The other end of the approach is the “all private sector” method.
Sadly, we just had a “full up” demonstration of why something this important to our economy cannot be entrusted into the hands of the private sector. Our recent brush with a 2nd “Great Depression” showed -
1) Businesses in the private sector WILL make decisions at the financial risk of our nation as a whole.
2) Businesses in the private sector WILL make decisions based on “near term” profits even if it puts their entire company at risk for future financial failure.
3) We have reached the point where corporations of the size that would be involved in this debate, ALWAYS put their stockholder’s interests ahead of their clients.
So while I am open to the idea of a non-government run program that can provide insurance that is affordable to any working taxpayer, handing the hen house over to the wolves is clearly not the answer.
Where have all the people with the new ideas gone. :(
Something else that should be considered in this debate.
The politicians would like to make Healthcare, Social Security, Medicare … all about “doing what’s morally right” or conversely, “robbing our pockets to give all our money to slackers” … but there is a more important issue that comes into play.
When the upper teer of society basically writes off the lower income brackets, actually telling them that not being able to get basic healthcare is their own tough luck and that they can all go and frack themselves for being lazy … well, the French tried that model. You hear the far right whining about socialism now ??? Guess what leads to the sort of civil unrest and upheaval that ends in all the less then pleasant “isms” ?
That would be, a large number of people who (right or wrong) feel like they have been written off by their government.
Can you imagine if the 30 to 50 million uninsured people in this country had a national, 24 hour propaganda channel geared specifically to organize them!!! It would make this Tea Bagger bunch seem like a High School A/V Club.
Even if these 10′s of millions of Americans ONLY engaged in organized “civil disobedience” it could have a major impact on our fragile, recovering economy.
So my rather un-altruistic view of “social programs” is that they are the panacea that keeps our society from collapsing in on itself. I do NOT want to see what happens when 10′s of millions of frustrated Americans, who really have little to lose to begin with, become convinced that their government and the corporations that effectively run it – no longer give a darn about their well being.
Well, the “Tea Party” is the best that we’ve come up with in quite some time, and it’s underwhelming, if you ask me. It’s not on American Idol, it doesn’t matter.
I heard something interesting recently. I think it was on a podcast from Dan Carlin. He quoted someone else. Something to the effect that the U.S. government no longer serves the public, nor is it willing to make the hard decisions that a country really needs. It now only panders to the masses, a dog rolling on its back to get its tummy rubbed.
Finland, Finland, Finland, it’s the country for me. MmmmMmMMmmmmm. . . .
He bought me a soda…
He bought me a sodaaaaa….
He bought me a soda and tried to molest me in the parking lot hup hup hup hup!
Anyone wanna go to Tom’s Diner with me? Seriously I needs some Eggs Benedict all kinds of bad.
Run to the hills, too. Do it!
Soda? I’d demand at least a martini!
Frak, now I have to pull up the original.
Tom’s Diner!
Seriously, right Ess? Me n you n coffee n greasy spoon. Soon bitches!
Oh Johnny… youre so pretty when youre unfaithful to me.
You’re on. I used to go in there and SMOKE. In BOULDER. GASP.
OMFG you remember when it was in Boulder? Fuck and yes!!!!
I miss Boulder when it was Boulder.
After watching various YouTube vids and reading the accompanying comments, its my opinion the kids these days make me want to kill myself.
I can’t disagree about the whole banking mess. While I do think the FDIC is a useful government program, the concept of government backing of deposits was intended to protect “the little guy” from losing his shirt if some numbnuts ran the bank into the ground. Under Bush/Obama, that concept was subverted into a system where bankers engaged in terrible risks because they knew they’d get bailed out.
The potential reward must be tied to the willingness to accept the risk of failure. The problem now, and from what I’ve been hearing about proposals at “banking reform” is that we have a situation where the bankers are taking advantage of the reward, and the government (i.e. you and I) are getting saddled with all the risk.
Derivatives, Credit Default Swaps, even put and call options – all those financial shennanigans should be off the table. At the very least, there should be no government backing of that kind of gambling. If you think a company is going in the right direction and their stock will go up, then BUY THE GODAM stock, not some gambling derivative. Conversely, if you think the stock will go down, DON”T BUY IT. The notion that you can root for a company to tank because you will profit from a drop is a notion I find pretty sickening.
I better go shoot some thugs in ME2 so I don’t burst a vein in my head….
After reading various comments here and taking in all sides of the story, its my opinion that the politics these days makes me want to kill myself.
Ew.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-2-2010/jonah-falcon-needs-a-job
Wow. That’s a lot of posting. I think I’ll stay out of that debate. :)
On a different note, Naveen Andrews, the actor that plays Sayid on “Lost” was at the Arizona memorial with, I presume, his son Joshua. It was very cute and most people were very respectful and left them alone.
Now I think I’ll go find myself a beer. :)
MANswers !!!
I just saw about 2 minutes of a show called MANswers.
We should hand healthcare over to them. Their solution won’t be any better then what is out there now but apparently it will involve large BREASTS generously flashed about.
Lo
Pan:
I thought you were yanking my chain about Frank Black, but … you weren’t. Huh. Was Mr. Carter just making a Pixies reference when he wrote Millennium?
reaper:
Backwater. Love that song.
Miss Ambassador:
So it isn’t an adverb/adjective/whatever-I-fail-at-English, but you should have gone with Ambassador Amy. Though Audible Amy is a good second choice. =)
NS: LOL! You’re absolutely right! I wish I had thought of that at the time. :-)
Night, Pan.
Night Miss A.
Rhettro: Your goatee comment was distasteful. More please.
Lejon: Did you just counsel Van to blow the dyke?
[makes innocent face]
Almost 1k nipples. Kewlness. :)
NS: You don’t blow a dike. You stick a finger in it.
Re: JC. I have a personal issue with announcing intent. To paraphrase Yoda, “Do or do not.”
That and I tend to get annoyed with folks who talk to much. Which is an interesting conundrum for someone who consumes as many podcasts as I do. I get burned out and go away and sometimes I forget to come back.
Of course, to quote Zoe, there are alternate schools of thought. :)
NS: That’s why I strictly limit what I deal with. Considering my lack of free time, I’d rather not get annoyed with things I enjoy. Jack definitely has one of the few podcasts that I’ve never skipped.
And I see EssBee, of course, beat me to that comment by … hours.
Well, at least I’m thinking in a good direction. :D
Why hello there ditto! I’m not used to seeing folks on the board at the same time as me.
I’ve offset my usual posting time by a few time zones. Plus, it is a quiet night around here. No natural disasters today! :)
I find it a mite bit disturbing how Hawaiians like Spam.
*shudder*
Plus, I thought that for once, I might be online around the time Jack posted a new episode. Clearly I was wrong. :)
I think that part of the burn-proofing that Jack has done here is to involve “his” community so strongly. It might get tiresome after a time if it were only one or three individuals, but that isn’t the case here.
Which is my pomp-ass way of saying I enjoy the
and have not tired in any way of it.
I have to do my weekly machine cleaning, starting in 15 minutes, for the next two hours. Usually the new episode drops sometime while I am away… you know, actually working.
NS: I know, and I agree. I also feel guilty a bit that I haven’t had time to participate lately; work suckage and all that. I know plenty can relate to that.
Anyway, Deadpan is truly special and I feel privileged to be a part of it.
And, I just read that Andrew Koening took his life. That is depressing.
Quoting justa JOe from earlier, because it needs to be repeated:
Futures trading is evil.
I enjoy declaring things evil.
Eeeeeeviiiiilllll!
Back to the deadpan….
I thought while I’m on, I’d make sure we hit 1k before I logged off :)
Oh! Can I repackage evil? Please? That sounds like fun. Especially if she’s cute. ;)
981 – only 19 until 1000.
Wow.
Is that why he disappeared? I hadn’t heard he’d been found.
Oh. I’m also spreading the deadpan word while I’m out here. :)
I’ll go back up and see if there is anything to respond to before Jack posts a new show.
Putting a bow on evil… ‘cuz she’s cuter that way.
NS: http://www.walterkoenigsite.com/index.html
Cj!
(986)
reaper: I don’t eat veal.
Only a bow. Plus a red, strategically placed red ribbon.
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrow. :)
J Null listens to Common Sense with Dan Carlin.
Sweet.
BTW, technically, I’m on “vacation” but I’m also here helping a friend out that has recently been stationed in Hawaii. Helping someone setup house in “paradise” isn’t as much fun as it sounds. :)
Lo Pan
I thought Lo was already dead.
*whistling in the dark*
Ribbons and bows and ribbons and bows.
Tsk tsk =D
NS: Maybe Lo Pan is a vampire. They have 2 deaths, y’a know.
Jack’s post that said “-’” actually made me wipe my screen.
I thought it was a smudge.
997
Cj: was that – a ribbon?
I want 1000… can I have? I can haz, please?
It’s mine! All Mine!
Where’s the new show when you need it? ;)
Congrats, Cj!
Fuck you
I am not posting too quickly.
Re: Koenig. Well, that’s sad.
…
Well, we broke 1k so my mission is accomplished here.
I’m going to take my Margarita–which is making typing slow and difficult–and heading off into the sunset.
Night pan. :)
Mmmm a Dirty Martini.
Nighty night with luvs and tuck-ins for ya, ditto.
Night ditto. Thanks for popping in and have another drink for us.
Me and Cj’ll pretend not be jealous.
[gives the bow and ribbon to Cj] I has to go work now.
Boooo-hissssss.
hmmm who shall I tie up tonight?
Oh! and since I know you all LUUUURVE my work stories…
Tonight, I got a marriage proposal from a customer.
Apparently telling a man to shut-up and stop talking over me is incredibly hawt.
Who knew?
I’m kidding of course. I know men think it’s hawt. I just never had one admit it to me before.
I’m not kidding about the story though. I did actually say that and then I said, “Hey, you like some customer service with SASS right?”
I got the sale :-D
wtf, how did it get so late???